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May 20th, 2010, 05:34 PM #11
Someone PM'd me asking why I had taken sides, so I wanted to clarify that I am not intending to take anyone's side here. In my earlier post I just posted a summary of what each side is saying, as it "sounds like" to me. My intention was to hopefully let each party see (specifically, let BGordon see) what they sound like to a neutral 3rd party like me, because to me, it seemed kind of silly to purposefully do something Google says is a bad practice. I didn't think BGordon was actually going to agree with my interpretation of what he posted, but he did, so that idea kind of back fired.
Anyways, I hope there were no hard feelings, like I said above I'm not intending to take sides here.
However, some webmasters attempt to improve their page's ranking and attract visitors by creating pages with many words but little or no authentic content. Google will take action against domains that try to rank more highly by just showing scraped or other auto-generated pages that don't add any value to users.
One could say that having another site specifically for horses (as BGordon gave in an example), that contains listings from another site but only in the horse sub-category, is fine, as long as it adds value on it's own, for instance if the site contains valuable information not contained in the main classified site.
One could also say that re-posting listings on Twitter adds value because it opens your site up to people that would rather watch you on Twitter than watch you feed.
I could keep going but I think you get the point hopefully, if you show same content on other site make sure you are adding some value, that you aren't doing it only for SEO sake, and you should be fine. Maybe. Hopefully.
Edit: By the way I re-worded my original summary, after re-reading what I posted, the original wording came off sounding different than I intended...
Last edited by jonyo; May 20th, 2010 at 06:51 PM.
June 7th, 2010, 10:28 AM #12
Exactly. The multi-site script I built allows you to show your geo data on a new domain. It looks different and the tags can be made to look different. You wrap the geo data in adsense or paid banners, add a few pages of related data or bring in rss feed data related to it from other sources and tada... you have a unique site, showing YOUR listings primarily wrapped by other 'added value data' (which is subjective). This is what is referred to as a 'mashup site'. There are millions of these sites on the web and they are indexed. So unless someone goes to google and submits a complaint to burn you (which Google may decide is frivolous and vexatious or with merit) you are going to be listed on many domains.
This is just like you submitting data to oodle, base etc to drive traffic to your site except YOU own the other domains...
Jonyo, I get what you are saying and the bottom line is simply a choice that each seller makes.
Adding value is in the eye of the beholder... not micro managed by Google. Just look at the parked domains filled with crap that are not only indexed but granted Google adword status and making money from the crap they repurpose. For Google to shut those crap sites down, they would lose alot of impressions and ad revenue. Why would they give a rat's behind that you are actually showing YOUR content on a new domain with some basic added value around it to compete against the sea of garbage no-value websites online.
Like the 'big man' (aka the kid from brooklyn) says... Think about it!!!
Last edited by bgordon; June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 AM. Reason: typo
July 7th, 2010, 12:52 PM #13Lurking Member License Holder
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I figured google guidelines would also affect the Oodle addon I see around here, were ooddles' listings are fed into other sites. There are also employment portals that use this technique.
I very much doubt that oodle would allow this if they were to get penalized.
Correct me if im wrong.
July 7th, 2010, 01:42 PM #14GeoNewcomer License Holder
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Does this script allow for reporting specific to each child site? I have worked through the domain specific template loading (with the help of Geodesic developers...thank you!), but this only allows a new face for each child site. I would like to set up a payment gateway specific to each child site (template) as well as report sales for each child site.
The best way I can describe what I want is how wordpress and wordpress mu differ. I would like to make geoclassifieds into a geoclassifieds mu (hypothetically speaking). Is there any documentation, discussion, etc... on this being done before? Does this script you sell work as I am describing?
July 7th, 2010, 01:45 PM #15
READ MORE CLICK HERE Now notice they talk about social networking... Using twitter, Facebook Oodle.. Now oodle is recognized. Its not a HACK you need and API key. Notice here with backpage and more... CLICK HERE
So now think about this.... Walmart, Facebook, Myspace, AOL and more are using it. Google knows this or all these sites would be wiped. They established themselves properly. Have a look at WAL-MART Noticed powered by oodle.
The big difference... requires oodle API key to run & must follow their terms of service in order to do so. break thier terms of service and they shut you off.
Their is a big difference between a hack an following the rules.
July 7th, 2010, 02:18 PM #16
People who join your twitter - Now these are people you are marketing too. You are not marketing to google. If google spiders them and checks them as duplicate the twitter ones will not show.... But like I said your not marketing to search engines. Your marketing to the people who follow you in twitter. Your not using smoke & mirrors your simply telling the people who follow you something new is their.... Google will not close your site down because twitter is used for this purpose.
I am sure the boys down at google had a real hard time with all this. The whole idea of twitter is to market to who chooses to follow not to search engines.
Have a look at this LINK Now notice topequine is like 3rd or 4th this is due the stealth. Not twitter.... Look at TWITTER now Notice the title I search for in Google I took it from twitter.... Not their.... Twitter is to feed to who follows not search engines. If it happens bonus right.
Now Imagine this addon smile which will be released shortly. User comes to your site they post ad. Now user has option to post this ad to their facebook or their own twitter.
This makes the user happy because they can market what they sell with one click.... This makes you happy because who ever follows them find you.
Content is king... ahhhh NO.... networking is king. proper networking and following the rules is. The internet is getting to be a popularity contest. Just my view of coarse an what I am noticing.... Dancing soldiers made it to CNN... maybe we need to dance on video... LOL
P.S Sorry it took so long to reply been busy.
October 14th, 2011, 10:52 PM #17Jr. GeoUser License Holder
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I really like the idea of what bgordon has scripted I realize that a site must have unique content so I am seeking to simply have ads from one or two categories in my site show up on one of my other urls that is fully functional and has tons of unique content but could benefit users by allowing them to see what is available without leaving their original landing site.
1) I am looking for an easy way to pull ads from my classified ads in my main site example www.horsesite.commm
and post only the ads about red horses on my site www.redhorses.commmm
the ad on would allow me to select which category or sub-category is used to populate the other urls
I would have unique content on my redhorses.commmm and the only duplicated items would be just the ads from the www.horsesite.com
this would be duplicated for www.blackhorses.commm etc....
Let me know if you have interest.
October 14th, 2011, 11:15 PM #18Seasoned GeoUser License Holder
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unique marketing content all the time (at least once per week) I get a few hits here and there...
the thing is; I do not promote the blog...If i had to promote the blog, then why put unique content
on the blog? and even with unique content, spiders do not index every single url either, they spider
what they spider, and pretty much ignore the rest...
I am starting to think who ever come up with content is king just got lucky....
Because I use nothing but unique content on the blog, its not a pretty blog,
its not a fancy blog, but the content is always unique, and after a year, I
surely have nothing to brag about...
so I must have missed the formula of how unique content can get
traffic to my site, thus far, it has not worked, then again, with millions,
upon millions of other pages of content uploaded to the internet daily,
then why would my site be any better just because my content is unique?
The above blog is a test case blog.
What was the test?
The test was to see if putting unique content only on the blog would bring
in traffic. It failed! So if you plan on setting up a site, and just put unique
content, then you will not have any good results. Unique content is just
one piece of the puzzle, in order to grow in search results, you have to
promote, promote, promote, the key is getting high quality backlinks as
this is what gives you rankings with google and other engines, so it is not
always about unique content, there are many sites that publish re-hashed
content, and they are making dough...the trick is, if you want to go even
higher then them, then unique content is required, but some of these rehashed
sites have been around for many years...and it may take you many years
just to get to their level, even with unique content...promote, promote, promote...
once you are done, promote, promote, promote.
quality backlinks, and unique content is your key to success.
unique content or not...
no backlinks, no traffic...
Last edited by dsimms; October 14th, 2011 at 11:32 PM.
October 15th, 2011, 09:25 AM #19Jr. GeoUser License Holder
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I agree, as owner of about 75 different sites/urls it amazes me how little traffic some of them get with a great deal of unique content. Most of my urls are very specific to the search term(s).
Still........I keep plugging away in hopes that some day???????????
Thanks for your reply
October 15th, 2011, 11:36 AM #20Seasoned GeoUser License Holder
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be making themselves look good by bragging...in order to succeed with 100+ sites, you have to
promote to the ends of the earth, provide updates for 100+ sites, etc...its hard enough getting 1 site
to a level where it needs to be...I just can not imagine very many making lots of money with
having 100+ sites...but people do sometimes pull stuff off, so I am not going to say its impossible.