A Multi-Site Geo Enterprise Solution To Boost Your Traffic

[bgordon]

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AN EASY (NO CODING) WAY TO INSTANTLY BOOST TRAFFIC TO YOUR GEODESIC CLASSIFIEDS OR AUCTIONS?

I Know This Is A Long Post, But It Has To Be...

Well folks, I have been using Geo Enterprise for about 3 years now and love it. My site is busy, I charge for ads and my ads are ranked first or second in google when you query the ad title AND I make good money off my adwords campaigns.

I had been toying with the idea of running a bunch of off-shoot sites on some of my parked domains where I could serve up my ads and push more traffic to my main site. I wrote a script to do this and it worked.

After about 3 weeks, and a dramatic increase in traffic to my main site, I had another idea. I would actually display the ads on the new sites and design a search engine and many similar modules to my geo script to keep all the visitors on the new site and effectively double my search engine presence of each ad, each time I launched a new site.

Well, I wrote the scripts for that too. This is completely independent and used NO GEODESIC CODE, geo scripts or third party geo addons scripts. Furthermore, each iteration of the site is totally unique and is not counted as duplicate content by Google and the other majors. One database, multi sites.

What do I have now?

Custom brandable sites on unique domain names that shows ads from my primary site.

The ability to sell this extra exposure as a premium to my advertisers/sellers or simply add value by allowing all my advertiser's ads to be displayed on all my off-shoot sites.

- A section that shows 'featured ads' based on the queries that a vistor makes or randomly
- A search engine that shows live ads based on the queries that a vistor makes or randomly, also allowing to show sold ads.
- A section that shows only the newest/updated/sold ads on the home page
- A section to show all the seller's listings, with their custom banner above the listings
- A section to allow new sellers to place an ad (using a web form... or I can re-direct to my main site's system)
- Banner ads, google adwords etc...
- A slick web 2.0 look and feel including java and ajax with dynamic sorting tables
- A contact the seller form (with captcha) on each display ad
- A dynamic financing calculator (optional)
- Slick lighbox-style image gallery with slideshows
- A google sitemap generator
- SEO friendly urls, titles and meta tags across the board using mod rewrites.
- RSS feeds
and more...

I also wrote an OODLE and Google Base script to generate static XML files for even more ad presence out there without bogging down your server with every query... I get ALL my ads consumed by these and several other services that pertain to my niche.

Check it out one of my examples at www.canadianboatdeals.com (I have many other clones running too)

This has the ability to help you DOMINATE your niche as you spin off multi-sites with the only limit being your hosting provider's ability to host all your new domains. No new databases are required.

I am in the process of putting together a website to showcase all this stuff, but in the meantime, I have tried to be thorough in this forum posting. Can you see how have one or more of these installed on different domains would instantly double (triple etc) your online presence all drawing from your single geodesic database?

I have packed it with features and seo techniques and can further customize it any way you want.

I sell the script on a per-domain basis (yes I lock it and licence it your domain). So if you want more exposure, you simply register and host another domain (no database needed) and upload the script and you instantly have another domain competing (with yourself) for top position in Google. Furthermore, you can add google adsense and monetize each instance of the script! Without sounding crass, I make good money off adsense on my spin-off sites and even let my competitor's ads in...

Furthermore, you can even charge a premium to have a seller's ads on a multi-site by telling the script which "featured" level the person bought on your site which will be used by the script to display only those ads where someone paid the premium.

You dream it, I can do it.

I am freelance php/mysql scripter who runs a BUSY geo site and has developed new tools for myself and am now making them available to others outside of my industry.

The script is $350/domain and includes installation and initial configuration. Every additional domain you add is only $250 and there is no limit to how many 'competitive sites' you can deploy that showcase your ads from one database. Updates to geo don't affect my scripts since they don't use ANY geo code. The return on investment for the script should be evident.

Here are the steps to involved when buying the script:

1. Register a domain
2. Copy the files to your host
3. Complete some variables in a configuration file that will get your site online and start analytics tracking
4. Modify anything you feel like (add some adwords, banners etc)
5. Submit the new sitemap to google

Regards,

Bill
admin[at]canadaboatshopper.com

[Matt]

sounds like a pretty useful script with a lot of work and thought put into it. nice. :mrgreen:

also, I merged your threads to cut down on confusion :)

[geomodules]

What this is doing is called Scraping. Google replies with....

There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site—for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged)

To Learn More Click Me & Get The Facts. Direct From Google Click me (http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html)

[bgordon]

OMG... This has nothing to do with 'scraping'. It is simply showing YOUR OWN DATA repurposed and in a new and 'unique' format on another domain. You can wrap new content around it, more ads, more features or whatever you want on simply show a subset of categories... eg... you have a HORSE site. You have categories for mares and stallions... register stalliondeals.com (for example) and use my code to only show your stallions in the new site. The format is so totally NOT geo you will never breach Google's code of conduct GUIDELINES.

Now... to say 'oh that's duplicate content' is like saying that every Ford dealer site that sells 2010 Ford F150s with the same options and colors are facing penalization for showing the same content on all their sites. Yes they all show F150s... they could easily be base specifications from Ford's master dealer database and 'wrapped' with the dealer's banner and contact us info... this happens ALL THE TIME from major manufacturers to support their dealer networks. They are all getting penalized from Google?

P-l-e-a-s-e... can we move off this. Needless to say I have DOZENS of these deployed and effectively DOMINATE my keywords without paying a cent for SEO or adwords campaigns and make money from adsense on all of them.

Think about this with both hemispheres and you will understand what I am saying.

[geomodules]

OMG... This has nothing to do with 'scraping'. It is simply showing YOUR OWN DATA repurposed and in a new and 'unique' format on another domain.
Google says...
Avoid... "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66361).

Now google goes on to say... CLICK HERE (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66361)

However, some webmasters attempt to improve their page's ranking and attract visitors by creating pages with many words but little or no authentic content. Google will take action against domains that try to rank more highly by just showing scraped or other auto-generated pages that don't add any value to users. Examples include:

Scraped content: Some webmasters make use of content taken from other, more reputable sites on the assumption that increasing the volume of web pages with random, irrelevant content is a good long-term strategy. Purely scraped content, even from high-quality sources, may not provide any added value to your users without additional useful services or content provided by your site. It's worthwhile to take the time to create original content that sets your site apart. This will keep your visitors coming back and will provide useful search results.



You can wrap new content around it, more ads, more features or whatever you want on simply show a subset of categories... eg... you have a HORSE site. You have categories for mares and stallions... register stalliondeals.com (for example) and use my code to only show your stallions in the new site.
Wrapping more ads is the same content on the first site. Thus scraping. Google looks at each page. Its not just looking at the whole site. if google finds out one page is very similar in CONTENT you will be punished for it.



Now... to say 'oh that's duplicate content' is like saying that every Ford dealer site that sells 2010 Ford F150s with the same options and colors are facing penalization for showing the same content on all their sites. Yes they all show F150s... they could easily be base specifications from Ford's master dealer database and 'wrapped' with the dealer's banner and contact us info... this happens ALL THE TIME from major manufacturers to support their dealer networks. They are all getting penalized from Google?
U don't know? I am not trying to be mean or anything like that. I am simply quoting google. Doorway pages where very popular a few years back and many sites where removed. If a brand new site installs this and google brings the hammer down on them their business will fail.

Take a Look at Google Guide Lines HERE (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769)


Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Notice this in the link. I have placed it in Bold. You are not doing this for your users. You are doing this to manipulate your position in google. So it breaks googles rules.

Google also says....



Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359).



eg... you have a HORSE site. You have categories for mares and stallions... register stalliondeals.com (for example) and use my code to only show your stallions in the new site.
Now notice what you have said and what google says.

Now notice with my reply I have provided you with links and information. If someone installs this and they are new site & google brings the hammer down you have just destroyed them before they even got off the ground. Each day google bots get smarter. Also you can report sites to google for them to look at it.

From everything I have read on this I myself would not advise it. But I really believe people should have the facts where they can make a choice. Can U provide links that backs up your claims that it does not hurt?

[bgordon]

You are right... it is a personal choice. I do know that dealer network sites which run on templates are not 'penalized'. There are over one million 'auto trader' sites just like this. The client pays trader corp big dollars for a template site that shows their new vehicles from a central database (same as all the other dealers for each relative brands, and they add their used vehicles. The mix is shown on a cookie cutter site which gets indexed. I won't argue semantics nor would I ever explain my art to a competitive site.

I don't think you are being mean. You are simply quoting chapter and verse from something you really believe. It is like arguing religion. I won't do it.

Once again, bottom line is you either want to grow your online business (like I have) or you can play it safe, follow every rule and white paper published, and be the good son. I have been a successful entrepreneur for over 20 years and did not make it to where I am now by being meek, timid or afraid to push the envelope to gain competitive advantage.

Thanks for your opinions, but I a not sure what makes you so compelled to be negative. Are you the voice of the moral majority here? If so, I guess we will have these exchanges for years to come. Perhaps you could post your replies without the self-promotion signatures... notice I have mine turned off when I reply to you and these posts?

Have a happy web day.

[jonyo]

So just to make sure I got both of your different advise and views right, please do correct me if I am wrong, I am just posting what it sounds like to me here...

Lance, you are telling people about "best practices" as published by the same folks that make Google search engine, and advising to do some research to avoid getting penalized for doing something the wrong way?

BGordon, your advise is to ignore all that and go against what Google says, to not play it safe because doing it that way has worked for you for so long, to do exactly what Google says not to do? And that you don't want to get into a debate about it except to say basically that it "works for me"?

[bgordon]

Pretty much. Take it or leave it. I am not making a living out of doing this for my fellow geo users nor am I about to expose my secret sauce to a commercial developer trying while trying to justify my scripts. Geo is an excellent platform and quite versatile. I have found a way to get deeper into the search engines by leveraging the production database. Whether you agree or like it, really does not matter to me. Sorry... It works. Google ranks all my sites well and I built the seo around proven SEO techniques. Using my scripts or my content harvesting is entirely your choice and other than deleting these posts for me having an opposing point of vue, should not be taken as an attack on diversity in the user community using your products... BTW, I own two licences and pay for my support yearly.

Use me... don't use me... whatever. I am only offering help to those who want it.

Have a happy web day.

[geomodules]

So just to make sure I got both of your different advise and views right, please do correct me if I am wrong, I am just posting what it sounds like to me here...

Lance, you are telling people about "best practices" as published by the same folks that make Google search engine, and advising to do some research to avoid getting penalized for doing something the wrong way?



Yes this is correct.

[ddummitt]

Geomodules, where is the loop hole for your twitter addon? wouldn't it be duplicate content?

For that matter, wouldn't publishing any rss feed also be duplicate content?

[jonyo]

Someone PM'd me asking why I had taken sides, so I wanted to clarify that I am not intending to take anyone's side here. In my earlier post I just posted a summary of what each side is saying, as it "sounds like" to me. My intention was to hopefully let each party see (specifically, let BGordon see) what they sound like to a neutral 3rd party like me, because to me, it seemed kind of silly to purposefully do something Google says is a bad practice. I didn't think BGordon was actually going to agree with my interpretation of what he posted, but he did, so that idea kind of back fired.

Anyways, I hope there were no hard feelings, like I said above I'm not intending to take sides here.


Geomodules, where is the loop hole for your twitter addon? wouldn't it be duplicate content?

For that matter, wouldn't publishing any rss feed also be duplicate content?

Since I'm not taking sides, I won't speak specifically for Lance's addons, but I will say this, which applies to this mod that BGordon has made, as well as any other addon or whatever that re-posts listings in a different spot. Actually I'll just let Google speak for me, allow me to re-quote something Lance quoted that is something Google said, but I'll highlight a different spot than he did:


However, some webmasters attempt to improve their page's ranking and attract visitors by creating pages with many words but little or no authentic content. Google will take action against domains that try to rank more highly by just showing scraped or other auto-generated pages that don't add any value to users.

In other words, you should be careful about how you re-post data, when you do it make sure you are adding value. I mean if you aren't adding value above what the original website does, what is the point?

One could say that having another site specifically for horses (as BGordon gave in an example), that contains listings from another site but only in the horse sub-category, is fine, as long as it adds value on it's own, for instance if the site contains valuable information not contained in the main classified site.

One could also say that re-posting listings on Twitter adds value because it opens your site up to people that would rather watch you on Twitter than watch you feed.

I could keep going but I think you get the point hopefully, if you show same content on other site make sure you are adding some value, that you aren't doing it only for SEO sake, and you should be fine. Maybe. Hopefully. :)

Edit: By the way I re-worded my original summary, after re-reading what I posted, the original wording came off sounding different than I intended...

[bgordon]

Exactly. The multi-site script I built allows you to show your geo data on a new domain. It looks different and the tags can be made to look different. You wrap the geo data in adsense or paid banners, add a few pages of related data or bring in rss feed data related to it from other sources and tada... you have a unique site, showing YOUR listings primarily wrapped by other 'added value data' (which is subjective). This is what is referred to as a 'mashup site'. There are millions of these sites on the web and they are indexed. So unless someone goes to google and submits a complaint to burn you (which Google may decide is frivolous and vexatious or with merit) you are going to be listed on many domains.

This is just like you submitting data to oodle, base etc to drive traffic to your site except YOU own the other domains...

Jonyo, I get what you are saying and the bottom line is simply a choice that each seller makes.

Adding value is in the eye of the beholder... not micro managed by Google. Just look at the parked domains filled with crap that are not only indexed but granted Google adword status and making money from the crap they repurpose. For Google to shut those crap sites down, they would lose alot of impressions and ad revenue. Why would they give a rat's behind that you are actually showing YOUR content on a new domain with some basic added value around it to compete against the sea of garbage no-value websites online.

Like the 'big man' (aka the kid from brooklyn) says... Think about it!!!

[guillopuig]

I figured google guidelines would also affect the Oodle addon I see around here, were ooddles' listings are fed into other sites. There are also employment portals that use this technique.
I very much doubt that oodle would allow this if they were to get penalized.
Correct me if im wrong.

[jDoyle]

Does this script allow for reporting specific to each child site? I have worked through the domain specific template loading (with the help of Geodesic developers...thank you!), but this only allows a new face for each child site. I would like to set up a payment gateway specific to each child site (template) as well as report sales for each child site.

The best way I can describe what I want is how wordpress and wordpress mu differ. I would like to make geoclassifieds into a geoclassifieds mu (hypothetically speaking). Is there any documentation, discussion, etc... on this being done before? Does this script you sell work as I am describing?

[geomodules]

I figured google guidelines would also affect the Oodle addon I see around here, were ooddles' listings are fed into other sites. There are also employment portals that use this technique.
I very much doubt that oodle would allow this if they were to get penalized.
Correct me if im wrong.

A person would think this.... But you have to remember oodle requires and API key in order to run it. Which follows the rules. :) READ MORE CLICK HERE (http://blog.oodle.com/) Now notice they talk about social networking... Using twitter, Facebook Oodle.. Now oodle is recognized. Its not a HACK you need and API key. Notice here with backpage and more... CLICK HERE (http://www.oodle.com/info/api)

So now think about this.... Walmart, Facebook, Myspace, AOL and more are using it. Google knows this or all these sites would be wiped. They established themselves properly. Have a look at WAL-MART (http://walmart.oodle.com/) Noticed powered by oodle. :)

The big difference... requires oodle API key to run & must follow their terms of service (http://developer.oodle.com/oodle-api-terms-use) in order to do so. break thier terms of service (http://developer.oodle.com/oodle-api-terms-use) and they shut you off.

Their is a big difference between a hack an following the rules.

[geomodules]

Geomodules, where is the loop hole for your twitter addon? wouldn't it be duplicate content?

For that matter, wouldn't publishing any rss feed also be duplicate content?

Another good question. Twitter is as a social network. So search engines look at it differently. Now in twitter you are using a SHORT URL not the same url. So the search engine looks at it as being different. Now the title is the same. So it is possible it could look at this as duplicate content. U have to understand how a social network works...

People who join your twitter - Now these are people you are marketing too. You are not marketing to google. If google spiders them and checks them as duplicate the twitter ones will not show.... But like I said your not marketing to search engines. Your marketing to the people who follow you in twitter. Your not using smoke & mirrors your simply telling the people who follow you something new is their.... Google will not close your site down because twitter is used for this purpose.

I am sure the boys down at google had a real hard time with all this. The whole idea of twitter is to market to who chooses to follow not to search engines.

Have a look at this LINK (http://www.google.com/search?q=News+%272009+Registered+Andalusion%2FAzte ca+Colt+-+WOW%27.+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) Now notice topequine is like 3rd or 4th this is due the stealth (http://www.geomodules.com/catalog/stealth-seo-with-dyno-lazers-68.html). Not twitter.... Look at TWITTER (http://twitter.com/topequine) now Notice the title I search for in Google I took it from twitter.... Not their.... Twitter is to feed to who follows not search engines. If it happens bonus right. :)

Now Imagine this addon smile which will be released shortly. User comes to your site they post ad. Now user has option to post this ad to their facebook or their own twitter.
This makes the user happy because they can market what they sell with one click.... This makes you happy because who ever follows them find you.

Content is king... ahhhh NO.... networking is king. proper networking and following the rules is. The internet is getting to be a popularity contest. Just my view of coarse an what I am noticing.... Dancing soldiers made it to CNN (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/07/06/2010-07-06_israeli_defense_force_troops_face_displinary_ac tion_over_youtube_dance_video.html)... maybe we need to dance on video... LOL

P.S Sorry it took so long to reply been busy.

[aaasport]

I really like the idea of what bgordon has scripted I realize that a site must have unique content so I am seeking to simply have ads from one or two categories in my site show up on one of my other urls that is fully functional and has tons of unique content but could benefit users by allowing them to see what is available without leaving their original landing site.

see http://geodesicsolutions.com/geo_user_forum/showthread.php?6523-A-Multi-Site-Geo-Enterprise-Solution-To-Boost-Your-Traffic

1) I am looking for an easy way to pull ads from my classified ads in my main site example www.horsesite.commm
and post only the ads about red horses on my site www.redhorses.commmm

the ad on would allow me to select which category or sub-category is used to populate the other urls
I would have unique content on my redhorses.commmm and the only duplicated items would be just the ads from the www.horsesite.com

this would be duplicated for www.blackhorses.commm etc....


Let me know if you have interest.

[dsimms]

I really like the idea of what bgordon has scripted I realize that a site must have unique content so I am seeking to simply have ads from one or two categories in my site show up on one of my other urls that is fully functional and has tons of unique content but could benefit users by allowing them to see what is available without leaving their original landing site.

see http://geodesicsolutions.com/geo_user_forum/showthread.php?6523-A-Multi-Site-Geo-Enterprise-Solution-To-Boost-Your-Traffic

1) I am looking for an easy way to pull ads from my classified ads in my main site example www.horsesite.commm
and post only the ads about red horses on my site www.redhorses.commmm

the ad on would allow me to select which category or sub-category is used to populate the other urls
I would have unique content on my redhorses.commmm and the only duplicated items would be just the ads from the www.horsesite.com

this would be duplicated for www.blackhorses.commm etc....


Let me know if you have interest.

I am not so sure that unique content alone works; I have had a blog for at least a year, and I post
unique marketing content all the time (at least once per week) I get a few hits here and there...
the thing is; I do not promote the blog...If i had to promote the blog, then why put unique content
on the blog? and even with unique content, spiders do not index every single url either, they spider
what they spider, and pretty much ignore the rest...

I am starting to think who ever come up with content is king just got lucky....
Because I use nothing but unique content on the blog, its not a pretty blog,
its not a fancy blog, but the content is always unique, and after a year, I
surely have nothing to brag about...

so I must have missed the formula of how unique content can get
traffic to my site, thus far, it has not worked, then again, with millions,
upon millions of other pages of content uploaded to the internet daily,
then why would my site be any better just because my content is unique?

The above blog is a test case blog.

What was the test?

The test was to see if putting unique content only on the blog would bring
in traffic. It failed! So if you plan on setting up a site, and just put unique
content, then you will not have any good results. Unique content is just
one piece of the puzzle, in order to grow in search results, you have to
promote, promote, promote, the key is getting high quality backlinks as
this is what gives you rankings with google and other engines, so it is not
always about unique content, there are many sites that publish re-hashed
content, and they are making dough...the trick is, if you want to go even
higher then them, then unique content is required, but some of these rehashed
sites have been around for many years...and it may take you many years
just to get to their level, even with unique content...promote, promote, promote...
once you are done, promote, promote, promote.

quality backlinks, and unique content is your key to success.

unique content or not...
no backlinks, no traffic...

[aaasport]

I agree, as owner of about 75 different sites/urls it amazes me how little traffic some of them get with a great deal of unique content. Most of my urls are very specific to the search term(s).

Still........I keep plugging away in hopes that some day???????????
Thanks for your reply

[dsimms]

I agree, as owner of about 75 different sites/urls it amazes me how little traffic some of them get with a great deal of unique content. Most of my urls are very specific to the search term(s).

Still........I keep plugging away in hopes that some day???????????
Thanks for your reply

I have heard people having 100+ making huge $$$ - I guess that could be possible or they could just
be making themselves look good by bragging...in order to succeed with 100+ sites, you have to
promote to the ends of the earth, provide updates for 100+ sites, etc...its hard enough getting 1 site
to a level where it needs to be...I just can not imagine very many making lots of money with
having 100+ sites...but people do sometimes pull stuff off, so I am not going to say its impossible.